Robin Stenzel: Fearless HR

Robin Stenzel is a business leader who happens to carry a card that says, “HR.”  Robin started out her career in retail, then moved into retail HR. From there she became an HR partner and then leader in the airline and consulting industries.

Robin thinks first through the lens of business goals, and then through the lens of HR needs to help get to those goals. Her resume includes corporate experience through Delta, Macy’s and Hitachi Consulting but she’s most interested in working in a dynamic environment where she can lead internal alignment, reporting to a top operations or exec leader. Robin is in Atlanta and would prefer to stay there, but she is willing to look at other cities for the right role. I was introduced to Robin through Chris Havrilla.  Her upbeat personality, adventurousness, and sense of humor showed in the brief time we spoke on the phone, and I’m delighted to make her acquaintance.

Robin, tell us a little bit about what you’re most proud of in your career.

I have played about every role in HR, but truly believe I am a generalist.   I was so fortunate in 2000 to be able to put all my experiences together and start the HR group for a small consulting firm in Dallas. The opportunity was really running a part of the business in good times and in tough times.  There was no sense of “I do this” but instead “how do we accomplish this.”   In 2006, we sold the business to Hitachi Consulting. During the time I was there, we were able to realize shareholder value for all our employees and investors.  In addition, we were recognized by Great Places to Work and SHRM and Best Companies in Texas.   The awards were great, but I am most proud of what they stood for.

Tell us a little about what you want to do next.

Ideally, I would love to take the experiences I have had and again create or help grow an HR organization that is aligned with the business.   I would love to continue to grow my international experience, and in the perfect opportunity I wouldn’t have to define “this is my role”, but instead “what I can do” to help the business grow and/or prosper.

And what do you know you don’t do, either because you wouldn’t be good at it or because you just flat hate doing it?

I would not be a good HR administrator.   If the main role/goal of HR is to handle compliance, I am probably not your person.  While I understand the importance of compliance and will work to ensure the company is not at risk, I need the creativity of solving business problems, not just compliance issues.

Now that you’ve spent a little time on the other side of the hiring desk, what will you do different next time you have a chance to design or fix a hiring workflow?

I think hiring has really become a “check the box” process – do you have a, b or c? Unfortunately I believe we have gotten away from “how can this person contribute long term to our company?”   Again while compliance is important, I would try and make the process much more like “CRM” processes.   As we build our pipeline with clients in our business, we build relationships.   We look to how the relationship can help us now, but also how it might in the future.  Unfortunately, I am not sure we are building relationships in recruiting.   I think we can better use technology and resources to be smarter on how we spend our time.

There’s a whole conversation in the online HR community about whether or not HR is dead. What are your thoughts about the future of HR?

I think compliance HR may be dead.   I can see much of that function moving to become more a part of the office of the CFO.   That said, I think the part of HR which is around performance; accomplishing company goals, acquiring and developing talent and ensuring talent is engaged is very much alive.

I believe employees are getting burned out and are staying in opportunities because change is scary right now.  However, as the economy gets better, I believe employees are going to be more demanding from their employers and if they don’t feel like there are opportunities for growth, they will move on.

I also believe growth will mean different things to different people.  For some it will mean promotion, for some it will mean new skills acquired at work and for some it will mean a need to grow outside the business.  The need for professionals who can help companies manage this change and accomplish goals will be huge.

I don’t believe we will go back to the days of  conceirge services and heavy spending on employee benefits that can’t be measured, nor do I think employees will want these benefits.  I do think the challenge/opportunity is going to be how to truly manage a partnership (employee/employer).

I noticed you started a twitter account but have never tweeted. What do you think about social media in general?

I think social media is an important tool for communication.  I believe strong HR people/teams should be working with marketing and/or communications teams to figure out how and what we should communicate and sell to our customers.   By customers I mean those externally and internally.

As promising as it is, social media is making us a more self-absorbed.   Let’s face it, some of us now feel like everything we say is so important we need to share it with everyone.   We also expect others to respond.   I wonder how many people stood in a line at their Starbucks today and tweeted something like – “standing in Starbucks trying to decide between a latte and a caramel macchiato,” vs. talking to the person in the line they were waiting in.

In addition, when we rely on email and other technology, we’re losing the touch and finesse that is often required in complex problems, since we are looking for the quickest/easiest way to get our message across.

I think strong HR leaders/teams should be working with and/or leading other business leaders through this change as well as the challenges.

As far as my twitter account, I set it up because I know I will need/want it.  I’m still working on the most thoughtful way to use it.

What do you wish people knew about you, that might not be reflected in your resume?

I am an incredibly hard worker and fiercely loyal.   I love spending time with family and friends and (unfortunately for my waistline) show my love through cooking. I think I get some of my best ideas as I try and create a great dinner. Like anything, there have been some flops – note:  red pepper flakes should not be substituted in the same portion as a red pepper, but most have turned out and have led to other great dinners and great friendships.

Doing the Work Means Putting People to Work

I’ve been pressing my noggin up against how to help match up some stellar and unemployed HR folks with some of the companies that might need them, but not know it. Resumes and LinkedIn only tell a company so much, and, let’s face it, HR people are generally MUCH better at selling their old companies than themselves.
In addition to the fact that they may not feel comfortable talking about their own achievements, even in a conventional setting, most HR pros don’t see the value of social media. As Joe Gerstandt said recently about Twitter, “I do not think you can understand it without spending some time there.” We social media-lites spend too much time talking into an echo chamber. We know what lagniappes, synergies, kismets, and just flat opportunities online community participation has given us, but others may not.

What good is this little platform if I don’t use it? I might as well put my hosting fees and you lovely readers to work helping some great folks make a difference in jobs they love. For the next several weeks, I’m going to let the job seekers tell their story. They’ll share a little bit about what they do, what they’re looking to do, and what makes them tick. If you read a profile that interests you, or that might interest someone you know, please do everyone a favor and make the connection.  Let’s show the HR community the power of the internet, and let’s put some great people back to work.

Smart. And Brief.

Mary Ellen Slayter and I spoke recently about what small businesses need most. Mary Ellen is the editor for a service called SmartBrief. If you don’t already subscribe to Smartbrief, you really should. All the best, most relevant data, delivered to your inbox daily. (And, of course, interviews with compelling leaders like Steve Boese. And me.)

Thanks Mary Ellen! And Thanks Smartbrief!

2009: No Map for Now

Mary Ellen Slayter at Smart Brief asked some folks to think about what we’ve seen and learned in 2009 and to write a brief summary of the last 12 months.

While I sincerely hope 2010′s summary will be brighter, here’s what I’ve seen a lot of this year: deep despair. Good people have lost jobs that they relied on to live an inflated lifestyle, and don’t have the energy, creativity, and just flat wherewithal to move on. They’re struggling, or, worse, they’ve stopped struggling. A friend described herself like this: “The worst part of losing my job is that I really lost who I am, who I guess I was. I loved that person, but I didn’t know it at the time.  I knew how to be CareerGirl and kill my goals every year. And now I don’t think I’ll ever be her again. I just don’t have the energy to figure out what’s next, I just try to get through the day.”

We’re in the thick of it. A lot of people are lost. We’re at the point where many have no hope at all. I’d love to say that it’s always darkest before the dawn, but my guess is that this is the longest night many in this generation have known. Sunrise isn’t for a while yet. My friend isn’t ready to take off her sweatpants and I don’t blame her one bit. As long as she can afford to wallow, I say let her wallow. But at some point the money, the patience, or the ice cream will run out.

Then what?

Then it’s time to stretch, open the door, and see what’s out there. Doesn’t mean the sun has come up, but I do see some people reaching blindly out to one another, and finding new ways of thinking about themselves, community, support, and work. I see parents who are no longer willing to work/commute 60 hours a week, because they’ve learned the value of free time with their kids after they lost their jobs. I see previously reluctant Gen X and Baby Boomers waking up to the power of online communities, and learning how to connect with others they may never meet in real life. I see Generation Y kids who are learning that maybe they won’t get a $60,000 a year job right when they graduate like their parents planned, but they can sure intern somewhere and learn about things they think are cool, and live with their not-so-bad parents for a bit. I see grown adults finally asking themselves what life would be like if they were more than just an extension of their company’s corporate brand, what they’d be willing to give up to live a life that works for them. And I see a lot of people getting away from the lie of the Prince Charming model of employment, that there’s some One Perfect Job/Career that they will love Forever and they’ll live/work together Happily Ever After.

Nobody knows what they’re doing, and that’s a really good thing. But I still sense a real unease, like we’re sure there’s a right way to do it and this isn’t it. Maybe the only problem is that we’re under the assumption that we’re not doing it right. There are no clear goals for CareerGirl to kill, but that doesn’t mean she can’t make up her own, and change them as often as she needs to, to begin designing a life for herself. She just has to get past that there’s not a Form 31B for that.

For those of us who are no longer in despair, let’s let this wandering around last a bit longer. Let’s settle in to inquiry and trying out new things. We’re learning how to live without a map, and without a light to read a map from. These are new skills, new thoughts, and we’ll make mistakes. Hopefully a lot of them. But in the end, we may find ourselves a new way of working, a new mindset around money and material goods, and a new philosophy around who we are and what’s most important, that will lead us to deeper contributions and more fulfilling life experiences in this brief journey called life.

Apparently I can only think in dialogue

Blogging is not that fun for me. I feel like I’m a late night DJ without a working phone, never sure if anyone is listening at all or even if I’m making any sense.  I much prefer to comment on other people’s blogs or to guest-blog with people who ask good questions and help me think new thoughts.

To that end, Victorio Milian and I have collaborated again, this time on a piece about what HR professionals need to understand about their company financials. I really like working with Victorio – he is creative, thoughtful, and full of new solutions to old problems.  I promise to get back to my original 50 memos soon! (ish)

Memo to: HR – Sexual and Gender Diversity For Fun and Profit

So, you guys know I’m an HR superstar, right? Typical descriptors: whip smart, breath of fresh air, and of course far too modest.  When I’m approached about moving to a new job, aside from the basics like pay, commute, and growth potential, the number one differentiator for me is that company’s reputation as a great place to work for LGBT employees. As both a lesbian and an HR pro, how you treat LGBT employees gives me a real sense of how dynamic and engaged your company is going to be.  For me to think about helping your company, there better be a long history of both understanding and pushing for diverse work teams, including LGBT staff, or I just won’t bother. I have to be sure that, despite my minority status, I’ll be able to forge the social bonds that a strong HR leader uses to make real change, and I want know that the quality of my work will get noticed ahead of the lady in the picture on my desk.

For example, a few years ago a big sugar company here in Houston interviewed me and immediately offered me a role in HR. After they made the offer, I asked my basic test question, “Do you guys cover domestic partners on your health insurance?” The hiring manager blinked several times and said, “We’ve never had that problem here. I mean – I worked retail before, so there were a lot of those people asking for all sorts of things, but here that hasn’t been an issue. Why?” I explained that I was gay and that I couldn’t accept the job, but that I appreciated the opportunity to learn more about her company. And I left. And told everyone I knew that story. And stopped buying that brand of sugar.

The thing is, I knew fifteen minutes into the interview that I wouldn’t really be a fit at this company – it was old school to the max.  Lots of unnecessary structure, a command-and-control HR and management mindset, and retention due to inertia rather than engagement. The fact that their HR manager apparently saw LGBT employees as a problem just confirmed that this company was not likely to ever to get it: A diverse population of people who are encouraged to bring their whole selves to work will work harder, produce stronger results, and generate higher profits than a bunch of people chosen primarily for the fact that they don’t make you uncomfortable. As an HR practitioner there, it would have been an uphill battle to attract change agents and engaged, smart leaders (gay or straight) to a company that just saw employee diversity as an obstacle, something to be controlled.

My thoughts as an out lesbian executive are focused on how I can best use my experiences to affect change and help build a dynamic, responsive workforce engaged around the company’s mission. I have it easy – I don’t have to lie about who I am, I don’t have to spend my energy strategizing how to get out of social events with coworkers, I can concentrate on my work. For every one of me – out, unapologetic, and confident, there is another person who stays in the closet for fear of losing their jobs or getting stuck at their rung on the career ladder. A recent report by the Human Rights Campaign examines the subtleties of effectiveness, retention, and workplace climate for LGBT employees. In addition to some heartbreaking stories, we get to see how, exactly, being closeted and/or discriminated against affects LGBT employees. The statistics are shocking. One in two LGBT workers hide their identity at work. In a world where nine out of ten employees say conversations about their social lives come up at least once a week, do you want that conversation to engage and deepen work bonds, or alienate employees who are actively hiding their real lives? Worse yet, though most LGBT employees have heard a joke or comment that made them uncomfortable, only 5% feel like it’s a good idea to bring the matter up with HR. Five percent, y’all. We in HR, who are often tasked with leading the way in matters of diversity and sensitivity towards differences, are trusted by five percent of LGBT staff. That sucks.

So what can you, the HR leader, do about it?

First, make sure you explicitly prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation, and that everyone knows and understands what you mean with that. When that rainmaker salesperson who is constantly testing boundaries lisps and goes limp wristed imitating a peer, shut it down. Second, include domestic partners in your health insurance, and make sure everyone knows that you do. Third, use language to show that you get it – spouse/partner instead of husband/wife, parent one/two instead of father/mother, etc. You might consider working towards fulfilling the criteria to make HRC’s Corporate Equality Index.

Lastly, you personally may need to get with the program. Read the report linked above and think about your workplace. Are you driving away fantastic, engaged, loyal staff because you’re not stepping up when someone says or does ignorant things? Are you inquisitive but cluelessly bigoted, like the lady who asked me recently, “When did you know there was something wrong with you?”  Are you friends, actual friends, not just specimen friends, with any GLBT people? Do you talk about their lives with the same ease that you expect to be able to talk about your own? Do you know and enjoy their families, and do you know what their interests are beyond the homosexual agenda? Have you and your family been to dinner more than once at that friend’s house? Have they been to dinner at your house? More than once? Have you contacted your congressperson to advocate for the passage of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA)?

Your company may be missing out. If you would rather work with people who are just like you, and you’re willing to forfeit profits and growth to do that, you’re probably reading the wrong blog anyway. But if you are ready to think through how a diverse and engaged workforce can help your company reach it’s true potential, the HRC report is a great place to start.

Speaking today

About how to be an HR Rockstar (and Get Paid Like One.) It should be fun, but now I have a code in my nose and my left nostril is totally whistling. Nothing very rockstar about that.

Stop The Presses

Victorio Milian, who is way, way too cool and VERY far out of my league, was kind enough to do an interview with me for his blog, Creative Chaos Consultant.  Check it out.  I’m so glad he gave me this opportunity, but mostly I’m delighted to have made the aquaintance of a new friend.

G/A Leaders: Find The Sweet Spot

Entrepreneurs have such an ambivalent relationship with structure. Every one I’ve met is truly distrustful of systems, processes, and clarified roles, worried that they’ll lose their ability to move nimbly and organically because they’ll have to complete a form in triplicate, or that their employees will lose that start-up hunger and become too complacent, too far away from the profits to see how their job impacts company health.

On the other hand, no structure means the entrepreneur has to rely on individual decision makers who may or may not see things the way he or she does, or, god forbid, they just make all the decisions themselves. Growth is stymied due to simple bandwidth issues at the top, and decision paralysis below.

Finding the sweet spot depends on several factors:

a) market

b) growth type and pattern

c) strengths and acknowledged weaknesses of both the entrepreneur and his or her trusted advisors

d) the entrepeneur’s “babies” – those areas that he or she just will never give up because it’s such a passion.

In the next few memos I’ll discuss each set of circumstances and how to help find that structure  sweet spot that allows entrepeneur input but doesn’t require their feedback at every turn.

(July 2010. Wow. I sure didn’t follow up on this promise. But I will. Someday.)

Focus Control

After a ten year hiatus, I’m going back to yoga. Focusing is lot harder this time around, especially since I’m practicing at home, in the middle of my real life.  My child wants a glass of water. My dog licks my face. My wife wants to know where I put the  new towels and did I feed the goldfish? The Blackberry chimes.  I have to remind myself that I’m doing it to make an impact on my health and well being in the long term, and that momentary distractions are an opportunity to refocus.  Just stay on the mat, and get back on the mat again the next day. And the next.

I’m at my best working on long term, high impact HR projects. The thing about being in HR is that interruptions and distractions can eat up your entire day. A typical day in HR: an ex-husbandof an ex-employee gets his back up due to his lack of understanding of COBRA and his role in getting and keeping coverage. Someone else wants to know who’s going to clean up the watermelon on the table in the break room. A new hire didn’t pass his drug test and the manager wants to know if we can just get him tested again in a few weeks. A manager wants to complain about another manager rather than going to someone who can do something about it.   It’s so easy to begin to relate to people as distractions – no one is going to ask about the watermelon or the COBRA ex-husband, but they *are* going to want to know what HR accomplished for the entire company. (And why we can’t just blow off that bad drug test result.)

I dream of a magical day when I won’t have these distractions, but I find even when I do have a relatively interruption-free day, I now get in my own way. I’ve learned too well how to split my concentration. That’s a heavy e-mail day, or I make a lot of phone calls. But I want to get better at reclaiming my thinking, recovering from distractions much more quickly so that I can get back to the more strategic aspects of my work.

Like Amanda Hite over at Talent Revolution says, It’s all about Focus Control. This week that’s exactly what I’m going to do. Control, re-control, bring my focus back to center. Every time. Stay on the mat. And welcome the distractions as opportunities. Will you get back on the mat with me?